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The We Generation…

I talked a little bit about the generation of young people who are spearheading this new movement for responsible gun ownership. These young people are really remarkable. They are pushing the conversation into the forefront after being sidelined for so long. They are being inclusive, inter-sectional, realistic, remarkably clear-headed, direct and sophisticated. A lot of people are wondering why this is. Of course (we forget) there have always been remarkable young people in every generation. But this generation seems different – like all of them are this way. Some have said their self-confidence and seemingly natural talent for public speaking comes from being raised in the area of social media – I think this is one of the factors and from an astrological perspective – it fits in perfectly with some of the things I’m going to tell you about them.

I have always been fascinated by generational markers in astrology. Thomas Paine said, (and I’m paraphrasing here) people are more like their generation than their families. I think that maybe overstating, it but there is truth in there. Generations share a moment. They grow up together in a world with a set of rules unique to them. They influence one another through peer relationships. They are all formed together as the universe and its energy blasts at them. They share a common set of values agreed upon by the culture at large. And astrologically they share a set of common planets that describe this common stage they share.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but people of certain generations have not just common fashion styles and influences – they often have almost a similar quality. I’ve even noticed physical things that differentiate them. There is a LOT of confusion about where generations start and stop. In astrology (for me) there are clear delineations, and I have thought about this, and researched this for a couple of decades. I am going to write a book about this (I’ve been saying that for years – but for real now) so for now I’ll talk about the WE generation.

I’m coining – We Generation – for the generation of young people we are seeing taking the public stage for a number of reasons. The first being they are very much the astrological counterpoint to the Me Generation – Pluto in Leo. They are opposite – Pluto in Aquarius – which will come a little later in the century, but they have another generational planet Neptune the other major generational marker – in Aquarius. A simple explanation of this is Pluto in Leo (a massive generation) transformed the country by breaking down the rules of love, relationships and family dynamics. These are all very personal issues (5th house). They transformed this country and how we see ourselves – they broke the rules that the previous We Generation had set down (Pluto is in Aquarius in our US Constitution signing chart) – they literally have a direct astrological opposition to that period of time. They made us thing about the individual vs. the group. They broke the rules of conformity, what minorities and women were able to achieve – they made the case that each individual should be able to achieve, dream and become whatever their proclivity and ability allowed them to be, not based on color or gender. Now of course they didn’t erase these issues, but they did bring them to the forefront of public consciousness and made big strides toward equalizing the social dynamic and opening up opportunities for people of all color and creeds. Of course as history would show us 2 steps forward 1 step back, happened as a reaction to them and they didn’t consider all people in this movement – it was later when marriage equality and the finer points were put on what equality would mean. But they certainly got this ball rolling – albeit from a self-serving perspective. They didn’t believe in the war and they didn’t want to be drafted which was a huge lynch pin for this generation and mobilized them. Generations before had never shirked their duty in war. No one had ever burnt draft cards or refused to serve in the kind of numbers we saw during Vietnam. This conflict really started a major division in our culture – it created a wound that has never really healed and in many ways the religious right was born out of this rift. But that’s another story. This is part of the shadow issues regarding this generation but I digress…

The We Generation has Neptune in Aquarius – (Pluto in Sag=fighters) – directly opposite the Pluto in Leo generation. Aquarius rules group think, new technology, organizations, humanitarians, group politics (like the House, Senate = Congress). It creates a person who identifies with the group – humanity, their friends and peers. There is a coolness, an ability to detach, they are often more big picture orientated. How do they get this way – usually its from a strange combination of familial detachment (negatively-neglect) and an over identification with their peer group. In this case these kids come from a generation that was often put in daycare while they were still in diapers, grew up in large peer groups and then social media came along and finished the job.

Instead of gaining attention from their families like Pluto in Leo – which had a huge psychological push back from the “nuclear family” aka “dysfunctional family,” these kids are reacting to being hyper-socialized, over scheduled and constantly thrown in with other young people, without a lot of familial bonding and in some cases actual neglect. I’m not saying all people of every generation have these issues – I’m saying all people of these generations will be touched by these issues. When you think about another huge issues these kids have had to deal with in their environment is the opioid crisis. Let’s face it a lot of these kids will have parents struggling with drug addiction and opioid’s make a person detached and remote. When thinking about a generation – we have to think of all the overarching issues going on while they are growing up as kids are sponges who integrate their environment.

These kids have grown up largely during the Obama administration as well and the human rights of the LGBQT community as well. There is also no one stream of thought or news and information and hence are growing up in a very divided world much like the people who were around during the lead up to the American break from England. One could imagine that there were many people who wanted to stay connected to the British Empire and continue being a colony (heck, Canada took this route) and those who were bitterly opposed to English rule. We don’t really think about this, but it wasn’t a given that we would even declare our independence – it wasn’t until the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party among many little things that led the colonists to make this epic and difficult decision which they knew would result in war. The country was very divided about this – this is the world the young people of the We Generation have grown up in and they DO NOT LIKE IT! By nature they want to find commonality, they are friend orientated, pro-social and revolutionary. They are idealistic and have seen the power of the We as opposed to the Me. They are adept at social media – know the power of the “like” and “subscribe” buttons and are living in the “gig economy.” I’m sure this generation will reset the American conversation on many topics. Much like the Me generation – they are an enormous generation and their Neptune is right in the first house of the US Constitution signing chart – they will transform what we believe we can be as a nation.  They will make us reevaluate our identity as a nation, start a new march toward the belief in science, technology and humanity – rather than in blind faith. They will begin the march into the next ion and become the first leaders to get us into a new way of being. They will transform how we see ourselves and usher us into the Aquarian age which I would argue started in 2012 but that’s a whole new topic which I will get into in another post!



Robert Mueller vs. Donald Trump

I don’t have a time of birth for him but I ran a solar chart which is also very accurate as evidenced by Hope Hick’s solar chart. He was originally going to be in the Donald Trump book but it was just becoming too much of a behemoth so I pared everything down to just Trump, his chart and the transits. But I am working on other aspects related to this situation as well as geopolitical trouble areas. Right now I am focused on Mueller. I did some research to see if I could find birth dates for the rest of his team but couldn’t find any. Some gave the year but nothing more. I have to say that as I looked at Mueller’s chart, the US Constitution chart by comparison and Trump’s – I was a little worried that Trump would try to fire Mueller in April. I never had that feeling before and when you see Mueller’s chart overlaid with the US Constitution signing chart, you will see why. He has a massive Virgo/Leo Stellium that just overtakes the entire US Constitution signing chart’s 7th house of the legal system.  I think I felt that which is why I didn’t ever think he was going anywhere. USconstSignbiwheelMueller

So you can see from the above chart – how hardcore he is – all that Virgo and Leo – he works hard and has tremendous confidence. He’s conservative and is a workaholic.  His Pluto in Leo is directly on the descendant – exactly. This dude is transformative to the legal system in our nation.  And he truly has been. That doesn’t mean Trump won’t try to fire him.

When looking further into the aspects in April mid-late, there are a bunch of planets that look like they could bolster Trump’s confidence in his abilities. For a normal person this would be great, for a man like Trump this could be problematic for the rest of our nation. So I looked at Mueller and the constitution signing chart to see any echoes of what could take place. I even looked into Paul Ryan’s chart to see if anything showed up in it.

What started my worry was looking at Mueller’s chart which looks under duress. This could be all the attacks he’s sustaining and nothing more, just how amazingly difficult this job truly is, like pushing a 50 ft boulder up a hill – but I worried it could be more. This is transits, natal and solar arc.


This maybe too much info to see what transits I was worried about so I’ll post just the transits with his natal here.Muellerfired4_11_2018

This is why I like to keep it simple between natal and transits. If it doesn’t show up in the transits – it is likely a fleeting concern, albeit real, but not usually as intensive. There should be some hint in the transits and if you just focus on that to start with you can get some clarity. It is the transiting Saturn which has begun an opposition to his natal Saturn and is making an applying inconjunction to his natal Pluto in Leo in the 12th of his solar chart and an applying inconjunction to his natal Uranus in Gemini in the 10th of his career – Uranus also rules his 7th house (legal/trial/partners) this was the approaching aspect that had me worried. However transiting Saturn and Mars in Capricorn do continue to trine his later degree planets in Virgo – this mollifies that negative coming aspect but I do think there will be serious worry and feelings of being embolden on the part of Trump to think he can get away with it as transiting Uranus will tighten up on the trine to his rising. But the more I looked at it the more I think, there will be an emboldening effect that we will hear leaks about Trump considering a way to shut down the investigation – Paul Ryan will likely (looking at his chart) have to give some grave warnings and Trump will move onto his next distraction – ratcheting up tensions, a march to war.

So this is the movement of transits from April, 7 2018 – 1st chart below and May 19, 2018 2nd chart below (ignore San Antonio – that was set in my astroclock because of something else – it doesn’t matter in terms of transits here.)


So you can see between April and May transiting Uranus will be making a trine through Trump’s 9th house of foreign places and governments to his rising. Expect him to be even more erratic and embolden than usual. The fact that Uranus is going through the 9th means expect the unexpected when it comes to relations with other countries. It will start to make a square to his Pluto (very early) by the middle of May as Uranus moves into Taurus but as transiting Neptune continues through his 7th house and gets very close to an inconjunction to his natal Jupiter in the 2nd and a square to his natal Uranus in Gemini in the 10th – I think we will have a period where he feels embolden that leads to some serious repercussions for him. This could be an attempt to fire Mueller or more interference with the team. I have a feeling he will pull something in here that will start Republicans into a bit of a panic and end up being the real start of the ball moving toward removal from office.


Amazon issues…


It looks like I’m going to have to make it 2.99 everywhere as Amazon has a provision that they will not sell the book if the price is different on different platforms and the way they are set up its not doable to charge .99 on with them. So I will have to change the price to make it uniform. Sorry about that!



Hope Hicks – a passage that didn’t make it into the book

Writing the Trump book was like taking a ride through a rabbit hole. I had written about Hope Hicks but since she’s no longer part of the administration I cut this out of the book and just went into Trump only. So I figured I’d release this here and other pieces that don’t make it into the next book which will look into Russia, North Korea and the players around Trump. So here’s what I wrote about Hicks:

Hope Hicks is a bit of a mystery – her relationship with the president, how she came to power and what her role is exactly. Other than steaming Trump’s pants, while he’s wearing them, and fielding media stories, putting spin on them so they are to the liking of 45, what is her relationship with Trump and how much does she know? The two themes I see with people surrounding Trump are heavy Uranian influence and Neptune, diffuse energy, porous boundaries and unusual thinking processes. They seem to fall into two categories – those who wish to break the system apart and are using Trump to do this, or those whose boundaries are easily penetrated, co-opted and one might say gullible. Hope Hicks fits into the later description. If I were a clinical psychologist (which I’m not) I would suspect this young woman of a personality disorder. Her Moon in Pisces, which makes one compassionate, sensitive and can indicate strong intuition can also mean gullibility, lack of boundaries and an overwhelming emotionality. In her case it squares her natal Jupiter in Gemini which indicates she is easily swayed by what other people tell her. Her Sun at 28 Libra tells us that she doesn’t like to argue, fight or be near any kind of discord. Perhaps this is why she feels the need to be a professional softener. It’s not surprising her career would have been in fashion related Libra which is highly aesthetic and her Pisces Moon would love glamour and photography. Her Uranus is tightly conjunct Saturn in Sag at 27/28 conjunct Trump’s Moon and opposing his Sun/Uranus conjunction. This is also a theme – Trump surrounds himself with people in this generation – clearly he loves the trigger of their Uranus on his Moon triggering his internal opposition. Because Hicks’ Uranus/Saturn fall on Trump’s Moon the strange twist in her career was activated when she met him. It’s built into her chart to have an unstable career Uranus conjunct Saturn. Why someone would want to tie their fate to Donald Trump is a mystery, but in Hicks’ case her opportunistic instincts and ability to shape shift into whatever best suits her desire for allusive career success (Neptune in Capricorn) was enough to seize the bizarre opportunity. While we can put this on her age, I certainly would not have taken the job at 28.

Hope’s natal Mercury in Libra trines her Jupiter in Gemini – she’s very bright, but the square to Neptune from her Mercury reiterates problems with boundaries and problems making decisions. Her thought process can be easily distorted – her ambition can cloud her ability to think or put her into situations that are difficult. The other difficult aspect is her Neptune is inconjunction her natal Jupiter in Gemini – this is an aspect of taking her off her natural course of subversion that could put her in difficult waters. Her natal Mars also opposes her natal Mercury, she has a temper and it comes out with her partners. She is strong willed and a fighter which likely takes her partners by surprise as she appears docile and malleable in so many other areas of her life. This configuration would likely cause relationship difficulties for her in partnerships. Her Mars sextile Jupiter would give her athletic ability, agility and her self determination would open doors for her. Her Venus in Virgo gives her a love of fashion and rules her Sun – again not a surprise she would be drawn to the fashion industry and likely should have stayed in it. It also squares her Uranus/Saturn – what she loves is at odds with the turn in her career. Taking advantage of unexpected twists in her career leads her off her path and what she is passionate about. Her Pluto in Scorpio inconjuncts Jupiter, what seemed like power turns out to be bad luck.

Here we see Hicks’ Uranus/Saturn conjunct Trump’s Moon/South Node and opposing his Sun/North Node. She is likely not part of his insurgence, but rather a support to it. She supports all of his Uranian feelings of rebellion, deflection, raging against the system, breaking apart structures and embrace of foreign cultures – namely Russia. Her Sun trines his, making him comfortable and unchanging. He feels at ease with her and supported. Her Mercury sits between his Neptune and Jupiter reiterating a lack of boundaries between them. He projects onto her and she feeds him the information he needs to keep him in his bubble. Her Pluto is inconjunct his Uranus  and squares his Pluto in Leo in the 12th indicating that saving herself will endanger his power and turn his fate. Her Mars trines his Pluto – the way she operates in the world feeds his sense of power. Her South Node and Venus in his first house make him feel like she is almost part of him – again showing the boundaries that are blurred. Her Venus sextiles his, there is an opportunity for a relationship here that is more than just work. Her Moon sits right in his 7th indicating a partnership and it inconjuncts his Neptune and her Mercury, loss and irreconcilable relationship. One has to wonder if they are involved in an affair which would certainly make sense with this chart between an older married man and a young woman who works for him. Her Jupiter in Gemini sits at the top of his chart close to his Mid-heaven – her words (Gemini) and ability to spin media coverage benefit his career. It makes sense that she would be his Director of Communications.

One thing to keep in mind is that Neptune has been going through Pisces and would have been conjunct her Moon when she took her position in the White House – there would have been a lot of emotional confusion at that time for her. Her naturally porous emotional boundaries would have been made far more extreme by this transit. I think it’s likely that there was an emotional attachment that was a big part of why she made the decision to shift her life so extremely.

Her Moon in Pisces trines his Mercury, her sensitivity makes him comfortable to talk to her even though (his perceived) passivity also annoys him = Hicks’ Moon in Pisces inconjunct Trump’s Pluto and Neptune forming a Yod to her. He will change her life drastically in ways she did not see coming.

So as time moves on Saturn will hit her Neptune in March of 2018 – forcing her to see the reality of the situation she is in. This could be a period when Mueller talks to her or things heat up and fear sets in about her career choice.

After Saturn hits her Neptune exactly in March transiting Uranus will be in direct opposition to her Sun. It will also be trine her Uranus/Saturn which suggests to me that if she changes her stance and cooperates with the investigation she will be spared the worst of the investigation. Built into their interactive charts Trump/Hicks is this shift that she could be the lightening rod for. Her Saturn conjunct his 4th house cusp means that when Uranus gets to that point there change is triggered. Uranus will hit this point back and forth over the next year for both Hicks and Trump – usually with aspects the first hit is a knock, the second a pound and the last an explosion. In 2019 Uranus will still be stationed at this point as Pluto moves closer to a square with her Sun. Saturn will also begin to conjunct transiting Pluto.

Since we don’t know exactly where these transits play out in the houses of her natal chart, due to an unknown time of birth, we can see that Pluto will be next to approaching Saturn – restriction of power. For Hicks Jupiter will be conjunct her Uranus/Saturn and a stellium in Pisces will be opposing her Venus in Virgo – transiting Uranus will start to get into an opposition to her natal Pluto and an inconjunction to her natal Mercury.  This seems to spell the end of her career in this position, leaving her head spinning and her life redirected in ways hard to rectify.

So I wrote the above part of this book in January and had to put this project aside for a bit. Some of what I have stated in the text above has already come to pass. The question now is whether Hicks will be indicted herself or whether she will choose to help out the investigation and save herself. So let’s look at the aspects and see if there is any possibility of prison ahead for her. Analyzing the chart for 2019 when I think the indictment for Trump is likely, we see that she has transiting Jupiter hitting her natal Uranus and Saturn in Sagittarius in the 2nd house and Mars in Gemini hitting her natal Jupiter in Gemini in the 8th – these are protective aspects and suggest she will cooperate and find protection through that. Uranus stationed in the 7th opposing her rising shows a sudden turn in a partnership – she switches sides. Transiting Pluto/South Node/Saturn in the 3rd square (loose) her natal Sun in Libra (solar chart in the 1st) show an uncomfortable position where she is made to communicate secrets (Pluto) and decisions made while she was in a leadership role (Saturn) that do not reflect well on her choices and the people she was associated with – this same set of transiting bodies trine her natal Venus in Virgo in the 11th, which again reiterates protection through being of service for the greater good. So it looks to me like she will cooperate and it will be very uncomfortable for her, but she herself will likely escape prison although Neptune in Pisces will be opposite her Venus in Virgo (Venus rules her Sun and in her solar chart her chart) and this could land her in jail if she gets cold feet. It seems like she will make a deal that will be precarious, one wrong step and she could loose her freedom. I hope for her sake she remains 100% truthful and gives herself over completely to the benefit of the Mueller investigation – any resistance on her part could result in a revoking of the deal she makes and with that opposition – there is a chance she could blow it.



The book is out

I tried to get this out as quickly as possible so please excuse the look of it. I just want everyone to know it’s .99 on Smashwords and everywhere else, but 2.99 on Amazon due to the structure of their system. So buy at Smashwords or kobo or iBooks.

It’s called:

Astrology of Donald’s Trump and the Fate of his Presidency

I plan on finishing up the other moving parts in more books. I’ll let you guys know when that happens. Thanks to all if you.





I finished the Trump astrology book. It is called, “Astrology of Donald Trump & the Fate of his Presidency”   It is .99 and available everywhere. You can find it on Amazon or anywhere. It was published through smashwords. Here’s a link for anyone who is interested in purchasing it.  This book focuses on Trump and his impact on the nation as well as time lines for trouble and removal from office and potential indictment period. There is sooooo much more that I researched and wrote so there will be follow up books to come. It will be out to buy tomorrow,  it will take about 24 hours for it to upload everywhere!

Thanks to all of you!

Blessings to all!



The Russia Mess

So I’ve been working on this book about all the players, all the moving parts in the Russia scandal and looking at historical patterns through the lens of astrology, and I have some interesting news to impart.

I think this is going to be weird – something we haven’t seen before!

I’m currently employing horary astrology to hone in on the answer, but for now I’ll say I’m not sure about impeachment, but I am sure about indictment for Trump. That leaves a strange situation – what happens if he’s indicted while still president? I say this because as I went through in detail all the impeachment charts of the US – the Trump situation really looked different. I’m going to stick with my original time period as the real beginning of the end happening next spring 2019. According to horary charts I’ve done – this could be the period when the 25th amendment is invoked and the fall of 2019 when indictments could happen (yes multiple)against Trump. Good news here is that there is nothing  Trump can do to change the trajectory now of his karma – so sit tight and be at peace during the storm.  It will be inexpensive and I’ll go over it in YouTube videos for those of you who prefer that.

This is a Uranian (unprdictable) presidency with a lot of moving parts, so it’s been kind of crazy digging into the weeds!

Best to all and blessings,



Hope Hicks

So as I’m going over the book to get it ready to put out I read the chapter I wrote about Hope Hicks. Here’s the prediction I made a month ago about what would happen to her in March:

Her Moon in Pisces trines his Mercury, her sensitivity makes him (Trump) comfortable to talk to her even though (his perceived) passivity also annoys him = Hicks’ Moon in Pisces inconjunct Trump’s Pluto and Neptune forming a Yod to her. He will change her life drastically in ways she did not see coming.
So as time moves on Saturn will hit her Neptune in March of 2018 – forcing her to see the reality of the situation she is in. This could be a period when Mueller talks to her or things heat up and fear sets in about her career choice.


A Prescient Excerpt from the Book about the Russia Scandal

Here are some excerpts from the book I’m writing about the Russia scandal and how it will play out. I wrote this a few weeks back. This is so fast moving that I wanted to get this out by now but had a few things come up that didn’t allow me to finish it all off but as this excerpt was written weeks ago and we are seeing the tip of the iceberg I saw in the chart interpretation, I felt it would be best to release this piece now.  (Bare in mind I need to edit this so don’t judge me too harshly if its a little sloppy! It’s still a 1st draft!)

Excerpt about Kushner:
The first thing you notice about Kushner’s chart is the Pluto in Libra at the top of his chart square his Sun/Pluto conjunction. He’s ambitious and seeks power through partnerships with others. His Pluto also sextiles his Neptune/Venus conjunction in Sag in the 12th, the woman he marries will have ties to foreign nations, a world traveler, woman of privilege with sketchy financial dealings (Venus/Neptune in the 12th). His Moon in Pisces inconjuncts his Jupiter/Saturn in the 9th and sextiles his Sun in the solar first house – indicating a possible separation from his partner either due to foreign travel, business partnerships, foreigners or a combination of any of those issues. His Venus rules his solar 5th and is conjunct natal Neptune in the 12th indicating that he may loose his relationship to his children through incarceration or loss of finances, or being taken out of society in some way – house arrest, incarceration, hospitalization. He may also loose his relationship with his wife in the same way. His South Node in Aquarius conjuncts his Mars in Aquarius in the first, he is driven by his unconscious and past experiences, he reiterates familial patterns, doesn’t play by the rules, has a subverting streak. His Moon rules his 7th house and it’s in Pisces, which of course is ruled by Neptune in Sag in the 12th desposited by Jupiter in Libra in the 9th. The theme is loss, privilege, finances, gentility, polite society all connected to his relationships and his business. He makes his career (Saturn in Libra conjunct Jupiter in the 9th) through his privilege, social connections, the father’s social connections, his partner/wife, and his social standing as a member of the upper crust. His chart has built into the possibility of prison through his relationship/marriage.


Excerpt about Ivanka:

In the Spring of this year (2018) we can see that transiting Neptune is making an inconjunction to her natal Saturn – loss of the father. Since it is in Libra we can assume this is loss of his social standing, legal troubles and not death. Uranus in Aries is also making a transiting inconjunction to her natal Uranus in Scorpio – sudden unexpected shifts, likely in her power, and sense of self – an unseating aspect and further triggered by transiting Pluto in Capricorn at 21 degrees making an applying T-Square to this point and squaring her stellium in Libra. The power/financial empire is at odds with her nature – business practices exposed and legal trouble cause her to adjust to a new reality. She may have to choose where her loyalty is placed.

Excerpt about Jerrod and Ivanka:

While they do have a lot of conjunctions, they both have Neptune conjunct Venus and these are conjunct – they are both enmeshed in relationships and both have financial ties oversees that are dubious. They also have a Pluto conjunction and Uranus because they are born only months apart from each other. Their personal planets are a bit more difficult. Her Sun in Scorpio squares his Mars in Aquarius – both are stubborn and double down and have difficulty. He with her identity and her with the way Jerrod moves in the world. His Mercury conjuncts her South Node indicating a past life connection, but this pattern squares both of their Pluto in Libra indicating events regarding the law and power could try them. His Sun is close to his Mercury and to her South Node and as we will see Pluto in Capricorn is going over this point in his chart and squaring both of their stellium in Libra. The shift in power, the investigation, the business dealings will put a serious strain on their marriage. With their natal squares and their Mars being inconjunct in their natal charts his in Mars at 8 Aquarius and hers at 5 Virgo it could indicate their marriage will not be able to withstand the pressures being brought to bear through this very trying period. His Moon does make a trine to her Sun, but her Moon in Sag squares his as the reckoning continues to go down he maybe put in a position to come clean and this purging could break them apart. She natally has Venus conjunct Venus and he has a Pisces Moon, both are so partnership focused that this situation will have both of them trying their relationship.