Thunderbird and Heyoka

I’m reprinting the information from another site the author is Steve Mizrach.  I’m doing so because this information is important to me. I dreamed of lightning and was approached by Thunderbeings who told me, “We are walking in a sacred manner,” the repeated this over and over. I had this dream about six months ago and I knew at the time it was a harbinger of chaos and war. The next night I had a visitation from an angel Yah-Shew-Ah or Joshua at first he came to me in a white tunic covered in dirt and then revealed himself to be an angel. He claimed to be an ancestor of mine. He then gave me a spiritual gift that I have been spending much time using. It is the gift of protection – in the way that those who were spiritually pure were protected during passover.

I had wanted to give readings for people on the site, but my life became very hectic, as I dealt with many friend’s crisis’ as well as trying to work and raise a toddler. So I will do this instead. I can offer this gift. It is the gift of spiritual protection. Anyone who needs it can contact me via this website through a comment or through the e-mail: astrologyandpsychicpredictions@gmail.com. I know it sounds strange but there are many weird things to come and if you give me your name, birth date (time would be good as well as where you are born so I can locate you on the Auric plane) I will put protection around you. My only caveat is that if you ask me to do this I will get information about you and if I can’t protect you I will let you know the reason – for example if you are sick and are ready to cross over I can not protect you from that or if you have done heinous things I can not protect you from your own karma. If this occurs I will contact you via this site in a post stating your initials and place of birth and ask you to e-mail me so I can let you know why the protection did not work – if of course you contacted me for help in post form if not I will just e-mail you back from the astrologyandpsychicpredictions@gmail.com.

This is a crucial time in human history. It is not the end but it does have the potential to be the end of many things which could lead to major re-adjustments. If you want spiritual protection during this time of transition please do not hesitate. I will make a nightly list and do the ritual for you. This is the most I can offer at this time but in my opinion it is much more powerful and helpful than simply “knowing” what you will live through in the next year.

Please read this very interesting article that I reprinted which was sent to me by my husband due to my connection with the Thunderbird spirits and heyoka. Interestingly my husband is of Native American ancestry (I mean he’s nearly half and a registered member of a tribe – a direct ancestor of those that walked the trail of tears) as far as I know I’m not, (I’m almost entirely Eastern European w/some Scottish/Irish on my mother’s side, but I know nothing about my mother’s father (the Scottish/Irish side) so perhaps I have some Native American roots I am unaware of. Either way all humans are related and all racial memory becomes universal human consciousness that we can tap into.  Also on a side note the angel was from the old testament (which I don’t know very well since I was raised Catholic after my Jewish father’s death – despite being raised culturally Jewish – crazy, huh? I guess that’s why I figure all religions are fine as long as they make sense to the person who belongs to them – different strokes and all. Whatever gets you close to the Great Spirit/God-Goddess is great.)

Many blessings to all of you – make everyday count – let the Great Spirit whisper to you through your heart and your life will be complete,

Denise

 

by Steve Mizrach

http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/thunderbird-and-trickster.html

Thunderbird and Trickster

Introduction

The Thunderbird is one of the few cross-cultural elements of Native North American mythology. He is found not just among Plains Indians, but also among Pacific Northwest and Northeastern tribes. He has also become quite a bit of an icon for non-Indians, since he has also had the honor of having automobiles, liquors, and even a United States Air Force squadron named after him. Totems bearing his representation can be found all over the continent. There have been a number of curious theories about the origins of the Thunderbird myth – ones which I will show are probably wrongheaded.

In this paper, moreover, I want to examine how the myths and legends of the Thunderbird tie into the sacred clowning/trickster ritual complex of Plains tribes such as the Lakota. I will show how the Thunderbird is intimately connected to this complex, and attempt to explain why. It is the intimate association between these two traditions that may help explain some features of Plains culture and folklore. Aspects of the Thunderbird myth only make sense in light of these associations.

Plains Indians myth and folklore

In order to understand Plains Indians folklore, we have to realize that their myths were not just “just-so” stories to entertain, divert, or make inadequate efforts at naturalistic explanation. Rather, Indian myth functioned in religious, pedagogical, and initiatory ways, to help socialize young people and illuminate the various religious and other roles in society. Indian myth was always fluid, and grounded in the present, which is what might be expected of societies which largely lacked static, written traditions. Storytelling was an art which was maintained by the medicine people with great fidelity, because it was used to explain the development of certain rituals and elements of society. (Hines 1992)

Some have looked at the Thunderbird myths through the same lens of understanding applied to European mythology. The Thunderbird is like the Indo-European dragon or ogre or Leviathan, a huge monster who kidnaps virginal maidens, and who must be slain by the brave hero. Or the Thunderbird is simply treated as some kind of fantastic oddity, like the mythical unicorn or mermaid – an impossible construction borne from the extremes of the imagination. Both these attempts at explaining myth lose the important point of seeing Thunderbird as a personification of energies in nature – those found in violent thunderstorms and such – and his crucial dual nature.

Still, the Indians were not merely “mythmaking” in the pejorative sense. They no more literally believed in a giant bird generating storms through the beating of its wings, then Christians today literally believe in their divine being as an old man with a beard sitting on a marble throne. Thunderbird is an allegory; his conflicts with other forces in nature are then an attempt to allegorize relationships observed in the natural order, such as the changing of the weather. Like other Thunder Beings, he is essentially an attempt to represent the patterns of activity of a powerful, mysterious force in a way that can be understood simply and easily – sort of the way in which a weather map functions today. (Edmonds and Clark 1989)

The Plains Indians believed that everything that was found in nature had a human representative in microcosm. Everything in nature often contained its own opposite polarity, hence the expected existence of beings such as contraries, women warriors, and berdaches. Because the Thunderbird in particular represented this mysterious dual aspect of nature, manifest through the primordial power of thunderstorms, it is not surprising that his representatives were the heyoka or sacred clowns, who displayed wisdom through seemingly foolhardy action. Western thinking has prevented us from seeing the reasons why Indians perceived this connection. Few anthropologists have sought to locate how Thunderbird may have been mythologically linked to Trickster.

The Nature of Thunderbird

In Plains tribes, the Thunderbird is sometimes known as Wakinyan, from the Dakota word kinyan meaning “winged.” Others suggest the word links the Thunderbird to wakan, or sacred power. In many stories, the Thunderbird is thought of as a great Eagle, who produces thunder from the beating of his wings and flashes lightning from his eyes. (Descriptions are vague because it is thought Thunderbird is always surrounded by thick, rolling clouds which prevent him from being seen.) Further, there were a variety of beliefs about Thunderbird, which suggest a somewhat complicated picture. Usually, his role is to challenge some other great power and protect the Indians – such as White Owl Woman, the bringer of winter storms; the malevolent Unktehi, or water oxen who plague mankind; the horned serpents; Wochowsen, the enemy bird; or Waziya, the killing North Wind. But in some other legends (not so much in the Plains), Thunderbird is himself malevolent, carrying off people (or reindeer or whales) to their doom, or slaying people who seek to cross his sacred mountain. (Erdoes and Ortiz 1984)

Many Plains Indians claim there are in fact four colors (varieties) of Thunderbirds (the blue ones are said, strangely, to have no ears or eyes), sometimes associated with the four cardinal directions, but also sometimes only with the west and the western wind. (According to the medicine man Lame Deer, there were four, one at each compass point, but the western one was the Greatest and most senior.) (Fire and Erdoes 1972) The fact that they are sometimes known as “grandfathers” suggest they are held in considerable reverence and awe. It is supposed to be very dangerous to approach a Thunderbird nest, and many are supposed to have died in the attempt, swept away by ferocious storms. The symbol of Thunderbird is the red zig-zag, lightning-bolt design, which some people mistakenly think represents a stairway. Most tribes feel he and the other Thunder beings were the first to appear in the Creation, and that they have an especially close connection to wakan tanka, the Great Mysterious. (Gill and Sullivan 1992)

The fact that Thunderbird sometimes appears as something that terrorizes and plagues Indians, and sometimes as their protector and liberator (in some myths, he was once an Indian himself) is said to reflect the way thunderstorms and violent weather are seen by Plains people. On the one hand, they bring life-giving rain (Thunderbird is said to be the creator of ‘wild rice’ and other Plains Indians crops); on the other hand, they bring hail, flood, and lightning and fire. It is not clear where with them worship and awe end, and fear and terror begin. Some Indians claim that there are good and bad Thunderbirds, and that these beings are at war with each other. Others claim that the large predatory birds which are said to kidnap hunters and livestock are not Thunderbirds at all. Largely, I suspect that this dual nature of the Thunderbird ties it to the Trickster figure in Indian belief: like the Trickster, the harm the Thunderbird causes is mostly because it is so large and powerful and primeval.

Origins of the Thunderbird Myth

Cryptozoologists like Mark A. Hall, having studied the Thunderbird myths of numerous tribes, and compared them to (mostly folkloric) accounts of unusually large birds in modern times, as well as large birds (like the Roc) in other mythic traditions, suggest that there may well be a surviving species of large avians in America – big enough, apparently, to fly off carrying small animals or children, as has been claimed in some accounts. (Hall suggests the wingspan of such a species would be several feet longer than any known birds – certainly bigger than that of the turkey vulture or other identifiable North American species.) (Hall 1988) Such researchers feel the Thunderbird myth may have originated from sightings of a real-life flesh-and-blood avian which might be an atavism from earlier epochs (a quasi-pterodactyl or teratorn, perhaps.)

However, the big problem with this theory is that most ornithologists consider it to be quite farfetched. If such a species existed (a situation akin to the folkloric Sasquatch), it would be amazing that to this point it has remained unidentified and uncatalogued. A species of birds that big, unless it consisted of an extremely small number of members, would find it hard to avoid detection for long. Hall does suggest the possibility that maybe, like the mastodon, these large birds were hunted to extinction prior to the arrival of Europeans on the North American continent. Still, the other problem with his theory is that it ignores what Indians themselves have to say about the Thunderbird.

They describe the Thunderbird as a spiritual, not just physical, being. It is not seen as just a large, fearsome predatory bird that people tell stories about. Rather, it’s an integral part of Plains Indians religion and ritual. Only by ignoring this fact could we put our Western ethnocentric biases into effect, and reduce it to a zoological curiosity. The Thunderbird is much more than that; the Indian attitude toward it comes from more than just the mere fact that it is supposed to be really big. To understand the origins of Thunderbird myths, it’s necessary to see how they connect with other elements of Indian belief and ceremony – especially the Trickster complex – and see how they fit into the structure of Plains Indian myth as a whole.

Clowning around in Plains Indian culture

Clowning, like the icon of the Thunderbird, could be found in almost every North American Indian society. In every case, it involved ridiculous behavior, but on the Plains it especially exhibited inversion and reversal as elements of satire. There were four types of clown societies on the Plains – age-graded societies, military societies, the northern plains type, and the heyoka shamanistic societies. The behaviors of all sorts of clowns revolved around a few basic themes or attributes: burlesque, mocking the sacred, playing pranks or practical jokes, making obscene jokes or gestures, caricature of others, exhibiting gross gluttony or extreme appetite, strange acts of self-mortification or self-deprecation, and taunting of enemies or strangers. (Steward 1991)

The age-graded clown societies primarily consisted of older people who had been inducted into their ranks – groups such as the Gros Ventre Crazy Lodge or the Hidatsa Dog Society. These clowns were assumed to simply be playing a role appropriate to their sodality, rather than receiving some sort of supernatural inspiration. They carried out certain expected ritual performances on proscribed days, such as the Crazy Dance or the imitation of animals. In contrast, the military clown societies such as the Cheyenne Inverted Bow String Warriors, often carried comical or ridiculous weapons, but were also expected to show absurd bravery in battle, provoking the enemy into giving up its discipline and cohesion with taunts and insults. Not surprisingly, they sometimes rode their horses backwards into battle.

The northern plains clowns, found among tribes such as the Ojibway, wore masks which made them appear to be two-faced, and costumes of rags which made them appear comical. All of these three types of clown societies practiced a sort of conventionalized or patterned sort of anti-natural behavior. That is, they might do something which seemed strange or contrary, but under somewhat regular conditions. You knew when they might do something weird – and there were times when they were forbidden to perform their antics. Further, they might often “give up” the clowning way of life, and return to a non-contrary state by marrying and engaging in a more normal mode of existence.

The heyoka were different in three primary ways from the other sorts of clowns. They were truly unpredictable, and could do the unexpected or tasteless even during the most solemn of occasions. Moreso than other clowns, they really seemed to be insane. Also, they were thought to be more inspired by trans-human supernatural forces (as individuals driven by spirits rather than group conventions), and to have a closer link to wakan  or power than other clowns. And lastly, they kept their role for life – it was a sacred calling which could not be given up without performing an agonizing ritual of expiation. Not surprisingly, these unique differences were seen as the result of their having visions of Thunderbird, a unique and transforming experience.

Testimony of Black Elk: the heyoka and lightning

The Oglala Indian Black Elk had some interesting things to say about the heyoka ceremony, which he himself participated in. Black Elk describes the “dog in boiling water” ceremony in some detail. He also describes the bizarre items he had to carry as a heyoka, and the crazy antics he had to perform with his companions. He also attempts to explain the link between the contrary trickster nature of heyokas with that of Thunderbird.

“When a vision comes from the thunder beings of the West, it comes with terror like a thunder storm; but when the storm of vision has passed, the world is greener and happier; for wherever the truth of vision comes upon the world, it is like a rain. The world, you see, is happier after the terror of the storm… you have noticed that truth comes into this world with two faces. One is sad with suffering, and the other laughs; but it is the same face, laughing or weeping. When people are already in despair, maybe the laughing is better for them; and when they feel too good and are too sure of being safe, maybe the weeping face is better. And so I think this is what the heyoka ceremony is for … the dog had to be killed quickly and without making any scar, as lightning kills, for it is the power of lightning that heyokas have.” (quoted in Neihardt 1959: 160)
Today, of course, Western physicists describe the dual nature of electricity. An object can carry a positive or negative electric charge. The electron is simultaneously a wave and a particle. Electricity and magnetism are thought to be aspects of the same force, and as is well know with magnetism, it comes in polarities, with opposite poles (north and south) attracting. Though the Indians did not have access to our modern scientific instruments, they are likely to have observed some of the same properties in lightning. Thus it would have been intuitive to link the dual spiritual nature of the heyoka (tragicomedy – solemn joking – joy united with pain) with the dual nature of electricity.

Thunderbird and Heyoka, the Sacred Clown

It was believed among the Lakota and other tribes that if you had a dream or vision of birds, you were destined to be a medicine man; but if you had a vision of Thunderbird, it was your destiny to become something else; heyoka, or sacred clown. Like Thunderbird, the heyoka were at once feared and held in reverence. They were supposed to startle easily at the first sound of thunder or first sight of lightning. Thunderbird supposedly inspired the “contrariness” of the heyoka through his own contrary nature. He alternates strong winds with calm ones. While all things in nature move clockwise, Thunderbird is said to move counterclockwise. Thunderbird is said to have sharp teeth, but no mouth; sharp claws, but no limbs; huge wings, but no body. All of these things suggest Thunderbird (and the heyoka) have a curious, paradoxical, contrary nature. You could become heyoka through a vision of the Thunderbird, or just of lightning or a formidable winged being of power. (Steiger 1974)

While clown societies were found throughout the Plains, the heyoka, or sacred clowns, were usually few in number, but were found in almost every clan. Heyoka were contraries, often speaking and walking backwards. They acted in ridiculous, obscene, and comical ways, especially during sacred ceremonies. They were thought to be fearless and painless, able to seize a piece of meat out of a pot of boiling water. They often dressed in a bizarre and ludicrous manner, wearing conical hats, red paint, a bladder over the head (to simulate baldness), and bark earrings. The heyoka was thought to usually carry various sacred items – a deer hoof rattle, a colored bow, a flute, or drum. His “anti-natural” nature was thought to be shamanistic in origin — and as a contrary, he was expected to act silly and foolhardy during battle (although this was found more among warrior clown societies such as the Cheyenne Inverted Warriors.)

However insulting or sacrilegious heyoka actions might be, they were tolerated, since it was assumed they were acting on the higher and more inscrutable imperatives of the Great Mystery. Heyoka were freed from all the ordinary constraints of life, and thus were usually not expected to marry, have children, or participate in the work of the tribe. Despite their bizarre acts (such as dressing in warm clothes during summer or wearing things inside out), they were trusted as healers, interpreters of dreams, and people of great medicine. Whenever they interrupted the solemnity of a ceremony, people took it as an admonition to see beyond the literalness of the ritual and into the deeper mysteries of the sacred. Like the flash of lightning, the heyoka’s sudden outbursts and disturbances were thought to be the keys to enlightenment – much like the absurd acts of Zen masters in Japan. (Hultkrantz 1987)

Thunderbird and Trickster

Part of the link between heyoka and Thunderbird comes from Iktomi, the Trickster figure. Iktomi is said to be heyoka because he has seen and talked with Thunderbird. Iktomi is the first-born son of Inyan (rock), and is said to speak with rocks and stones. Like Coyote and other Trickster figures, Iktomi likes to pull pranks on people, but is just as often the victim of tricks and misfortunes. This makes him at once a culture hero, and a figure to be feared and avoided. Iktomi was thought to be a hypersexual predator, one who frequently pursued winchinchalas (young virgins) who bathed in streams, through various methods of deceit. Yet his pursuits and antics often wound up with him inadvertently getting hurt or winding up in trouble.

Paul Radin suggests that Iktomi and other Trickster figures are akin to the Great Fool or Wild Man of European folklore, who often shows up in the Feast of Fools and other ceremonies where the social order is turned topsy-turvy. (Radin 1956) Jung, following his lead, claims the Trickster as an archetypal part of the collective unconscious; and his “crazy wisdom” as emblematic of humankind’s earlier, undivided, unindividuated consciousness. Iktomi and other tricksters seem to be at the constant mercy of their desires; yet their blind luck always seems to protect them from the consequences of their missteps. He is dangerous primarily because he is so powerful, yet so rarely has the forethought or good judgment to use his power wisely. Radin and others proclaim him the representative of untamed, unpredictably wild nature, within the confines of culture.

In other cultural traditions, thunder and lightning are connected with the unexpected. We talk about a “bolt out of the blue.” In American folk culture, there are a host of legendary stories of mysterious cures or transformations wrought by someone being struck by lightning. It’s at once dangerous, and a symbol of sudden, shocking revelation and inspiration. It’s also the primary weapon in most pantheons of the chief sky god (such as Zeus in Greek mythology.) For the Plains Indians, thunder and lightning symbolized the vast, uncontrollable energy of nature. It’s not surprising, then, that the Thunderbird is connected with the strange, uncontrollable force of the Trickster figure, and his avatar, the heyoka.

Significance of the Trickster Figure and “Contrariness” in Plains Society

Psychological anthropologists, especially those oriented toward psychoanalytic theory and depth psychology, point to the Trickster figure as a sort of important cultural “release valve.” He represents the “return of the repressed,” the Dionysian aspects of life only temporarily held in abeyance by the Apollonian forces of civilization. The carnivals and feasts held in honor of fools in Europe, suggest some anthropologists, are “outlets,” allowing people to invert the social order temporarily as a way of promoting its continuity in the long run (avoiding its ultimate collapse.) The ruler is dressed in peasants’ clothes, and some ignorant serf is crowned king. Symbols of authority normally held in extreme reverence are mocked and desecrated.

Clowns and contraries in Plains societies do not just come out once a year, however. They are permanent parts of the society, and are seen as continual reminders of the contingency and arbitrariness of the social order. Long before French theorists came on the scene, the heyoka was reminding his own people about the social construction of reality. By doing everything backwards, the heyoka in a way is carrying out a constant experiment in ethnomethodology, showing people how their own expectations limit their behavior. Like a good performance artist, the shocking behavior of the heyoka is supposed to confront people and make them reconsider what they may have arbitrarily accepted as normal. It’s to “jolt” them out of their ordinary frames of mind. (Steward 1991)

More importantly, as a representative of Thunderbird and Trickster, the heyoka reminds his people that the primordial energy of nature is beyond good and evil. It doesn’t correspond to human categories of right and wrong. It doesn’t always follow our preconceptions of what is expected and proper. It doesn’t really care about our human woes and concerns. Like electricity, it can be deadly dangerous, or harnessed for great uses. If we’re too narrow or parochial in trying to understand it, it will zap us in the middle of the night. Like any good trickster, the heyoka plays pranks on others in his culture not to make them feel embarrassed and stupid, but to show them ways they could start being more smart.

The Account of John (Fire) Lame Deer: Heyoka and ASC

Lame Deer calls the heyoka the “upside-down, forward-backward, icy-hot contrary.” He describes in detail one particular heyoka trick which may give some clues to the nature of their antics. Apparently, they would grab pieces of dog meat out of a pot of boiling water, and fling them at a crowd of people, without being burned or harmed in any way. (Why dog meat? Lame Deer gives a clue when he says, “For the heyoka, he says god when he means dog, and dog when he means god.”) Lame Deer suggests before doing this they chewed a grayish moss called tapejuta. I suspect that heyoka were able to perform this feat through going into trance, an altered state of consciousness, by utilizing this and other psychotropic plants on occasion.

More importantly, I think they induced trance in others through their contrary behavior. Psychologists have noted that trance does not always occur through rhythmic repetition. Another way in which it occurs (the “paradoxical state”) is through a sudden shock to the nervous system. Ethnomethodologists have often noted the blank, glassy stares and strange states produced by violating peoples’ expectations – by, for example, getting into an elevator and facing the other people in it. It’s in such “paradoxical states” that people often may assimilate new information quickly, without filtering. They also may be able to “abreact” psychological trauma. For these reasons, the heyoka may have been seen as a source of wisdom and healing.

Lame Deer seems to suggest the power of trance is connected to the power of Thunderbird. As a paradoxical state of consciousness, it ties into the paradoxical energy of thunder and lightning. The crash of thunder can startle us and wake us up out of dreaming sleep. The trance of the heyoka comes from sacred power. He ties it all together in a way that’s fairly succinct:

” These Thunderbirds are part of the Great Spirit. Theirs is about the greatest power in the whole universe. It is the power of the hot and the cold clashing above the clouds. It is blue lightning from the sun. It is like atomic power. The thunder power protects and destroys. It is good and bad; the great winged power. We draw the lightning as a forked zigzag, because lightning branches out into a good and bad part… In our Indian belief, the clown has a power which comes from the thunder beings, not from the animals or the Earth. He has more power than the atom bomb, he could blow off the dome of the Capitol. Being a clown gives you honor, but also shame. It brings you power, but you have to pay for it.” (quoted in Erdoes 1972: 251)

Conclusion

The Thunderbird’s association with heyoka clowns is not simply serendipitous. The fact that the Thunderbird displays many paradoxical and contradictory attributes links it to Trickster figures and to the contraries of Plains  Indians culture. This culture complex probably resulted from Indian beliefs about nature and the ways in which thunder and lightning exemplified the manners in which it could be at once capricious, beneficent, and destructive. The Thunderbird’s own link to the original Great Mystery suggests that the role of the sacred clown was seen as one of the highest in Plains society – like wandering fools in Europe, they were thought to be touched by the Divine power itself. Like Thunderbird himself, the heyoka was thought to be a conduit to forces that defied comprehension, and by his absurd, backwards behavior he was merely showing the ironic, mysterious dualities that existed within the universe itself.

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Thunderbird and Heyoka

9 – 8 – 3 389

Looking up this number there are all kinds of bizarre associations. I have no idea what the heck the fedora project is but when I looked at it, it gave me the creeps. Here’s the link:  http://directory.fedoraproject.org/
Can anyone explain this?

It turns out that 389 is the area code for the county of Peoria, Illinois just 3 hours outside Chicago. I had no idea about this. It also turns out there was a 389 fighter squadron in the mid-west (to protect our country against attack) during WWII – and of course that war was fought over the genocide of the Jews and the attempt of the Nazis to take over the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/389th_Fighter_Squadron

My husband found this in the Anne Frank Diary about 389 Jewish men being hauled off and taken to jail. It is apparently repeated over and over again. Here’s a link. The number is highlighted. Bizarre. http://books.google.com/books?id=QF-vOumHocQC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=389+jewish&source=bl&ots=08ftej0bgT&sig=AYH5Fv8kAhKAiNY2-vU5ABqVmS8&hl=en&ei=RtvLTLC1PJO2sAPFtImYDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=389%20jewish&f=false

I hate to say that all of these things confirm my horrible feeling that we are heading toward a time of something very terrible, specifically war. I had been saying I felt like gay people were the new Jews. People’s attacks against gay people have been very upsetting to me. I have no idea why anyone would feel it their business to judge love of any kind. Love is a beautiful thing – always. It is never wrong. It is never bad. It is the glue of this universe and everyone’s right to share without judgment.

Well, I guess also the Jews are still the Jews. I don’t get why people hate the Jews (or gay people). If it weren’t for the Jews there would be no Muslim or Christian faith. It’s very weird to me. I sometimes think it’s a weird anger that we called or rather “God” called us “the chosen people.” Personally, I find that a bit suspicious. All religions and cults think of themselves as the chosen ones – but since it’s in the bible and everything in the bible is supposed to be literally true according to some people, I wonder if its a weird sort of religious jealousy or something because nothing else really makes sense to me. But then again people seem to hate anything or anyone who doesn’t look or believe as they do. Why? We are a planet of children, as one of my psychic friends had said many years ago. I think she might be right in some cases.

However I don’t feel everyone here is a child. I do believe there are there are many enlightened people here right now, many whom didn’t have to come back, but choose to in order to help birth humanity into its next vibrational pattern. Just by being here they change the energy of the whole. I’m quite sure that many or all of those who read this blog are very likely in that category or at least headed in that direction.

Many blessings…

I’ll report more as I get it ASAP.

Denise

9 – 8 – 3 389

Some Encouragment

I want to encourage people to take place in the dream journal and post your dreams. I was reading through them and many of them seemed like premonitions. Here’s how I can tell if I am having a premonitory dream or a psychological dream.

Signs of a premonitory dream:

Everything is hyper real.

It is in full color, often colors one can not see with the naked eye.

There is often (for me) a presence standing next to me that I can not see but who narrates the events and fills in the missing pieces through telepathic communication with me.

I will often be in a mundane dream and be pulled out of it and put into one of these hyper real (or as one of the readers here described it, HD style) dreams.

Psychological dreams:

They are often fragmented and have emotions heavily tied to them. Anxiety dreams about being chased, or hurting someone or doing something shameful examples of this are: losing a tooth dreams, back to school nightmares, having to take a test and being unprepared, being chased, dreams of death or dying, hospital dreams, hopefully you can see the trend here.

They are often either colorless, black and white or the color is not memorable. The dreams are often not that memorable either.

Dreams that repeat. If you have a dream over and over again, chances are very good its psychological and not a premonition. The reason it repeats is because you aren’t getting the message. If you spend the time to try to figure it out, the dream should go away. Usually, repetitive dreams are more common in children – so if your kid keeps having the same dream, try to listen to them and figure out what the symbols mean to him/her and also what emotions are at play, then have a talk with your child about your interpretation and let them help you figure it out. After that fix the problem as best you can and help the child deal with his/her feelings about the deeper anxiety that is causing the dream.

Hope this helps and encourages you to participate in the universal dream journal experiment here on my blog.

Also I’d like to reprint something that Buddha Dreamer wrote in a comment and also answer a question about UVB rays while I’m in the blogging mode:

Hullo Denise, You remember my previous post, where I spoke about the global crisis, etc, and its effects. First class detective work on this one, auto-immune diseases are becoming an epidemic.
Not only that, let me tell you a secret. A prominent environmental journalist I know in uk went to greenland, a couple of years back. He was horrified to be told that the population has almost completely stopped producing boy babies, only girls, and that the men have fertility problems.

This is because the weather system of th vast swirling vortex of the weather factory around the poles, concentrates all the environmental pollution in the northen hemisphere there. So they are the first to get what will be a wide spread collapse of trh male birth rate.

Male fertility in western industrial countries has also dropped 40% in 30 years. what a disaster. You will see this spread, slowly southwards, as things get worse. We have gone beyond one of the so-called tipping points, on this one
Scientists can see no way out
at the moment.
Regards
Buddha Dreamer

I did hear a report on NPR that exactly about this subject and it freaked me out! I didn’t remember the exact statistics and it was several years ago. I’d nearly forgotten about it. But yes, I’d heard that male fertility rates were dropping. I’m glad Buddha Dreamer brought it up because it is another bizarre effect of climate change/environmental contamination that I’d forgotten.

And to answer a reader who asked how to protect from UVB rays: Just check the sunscreen you buy. In the past several years most manufacturers have added an agent that blocks UVB rays as well, but not all. And I believe (but I’m not 100% sure about this) the rating of sunscreen protection is based only on the UVA blockage so I suppose doing some research on whatever sunscreen product you buy would be in order as well.

Best wishes – keep praying, it’s helping,

Many blessings,

Denise

Some Encouragment

Karina’s Comments & Readers Dreams…

It’s interesting that Karina had nearly an identical dream, my husband also had a similar dream and others have told me they too had dreams that put this earthquake together with aliens. I’m not sure if the dreams are symbolic yet or if there really is/was an extraterrestrial component to this.

Interesting to note that the other dream I had about the terrible storm seems to be taking form in a very bad storm coming toward southern California and fears that it will cause mud slides in the areas burned last summer.

Please keep posting dreams. I’m going to go over the dream journal and see if there is anything in there that seems related to the now (what appears to be a collective dream of at least 3 people). Please post any dream you have that you feel maybe related to these either on the front page or in the dream journal. Let’s see if there are patterns that can be deciphered.

We are all one, we all have the ability to see the future – time is an illusion.

Blessings,

Denise

Karina’s Comments & Readers Dreams…

Earthquakes, Dreams & Synchronicities…

I read several posts about the earthquake vision/dream I had. One person said that they had experienced the loud thud after a dream on the outside of their home, another said they had dreams that seemed to refer to earthquakes and in retrospect it seemed to be Haiti. Also a reference to Nostradamus about a great machine that would cause earthquakes in unnatural patterns that they had just read about.

For the past couple of days the vertigo has come back. Every time I try to tune into what’s going on in Haiti I get it. I’ve been through a major earthquake before and know that it’s very much like vertigo, the ground constantly shakes and moves underneath you. Before the Northridge quake in 1994, I had a bought of vertigo, but the vertigo was quick and violent much like the quake ended up being. Also I knew there was going to be an earthquake in southern California leading up to it for several years. I had squirreled away enough sterno, canned goods and water to last a couple months and had bought earthquake insurance 6 weeks before the quake. I ended up getting my family out of the area just before the freeway was shut down and we gave the supplies to our neighbors who ended up being served by the Red Cross for a couple of months. They were without heat, water, gas or even a working bathroom for that period.

Back then I noticed certain patterns that proceeded the quake. Several of them were very strange and I think I should put them out there as a warning to anyone who is potentially in a quake zone:

1: Everyone had a terrible headache. I had a severe migraine that wouldn’t go away. Everyone around me had a terrible headache and when I went to buy Excederin at the drugstore I was told  there had been a run on aspirin that day, everyone seemed to be complaining of a headache. Even the clerk who sold it to me complained of the very same ailment.

2. My normally feisty cat was a lump of fear. His eyes were glossy, he was completely unresponsive. I put him in a bunch of different positions to see if he’d snap out of his strange state. He did not. Once I let him go he hid. He wouldn’t come out or respond (which he normally did) to his name.

3. People were driving very strangely. Everyone on the freeway (which turned out to be near the epicenter, and about 30-45 minutes before the quake) was weaving like they were wasted. I mean going over the white lines several lanes at a time. Even my husband was doing this. I begged him to pull over and let me drive. He wouldn’t. I asked if he had been drinking. He said “no,” which I already knew to be true. I asked why he was weaving like that, he couldn’t explain it and told me he didn’t know why he was driving that way. He was just compelled.

Earthquakes are very terrifying. They aren’t just one event, but a series of constant shakes, and you never know if the one you are experiencing is the beginning of something even bigger and more frightening or if the shaking is going to end and turn out to be nothing. The ground doesn’t stop moving. The earth feels like being on a rocky ship.

The day after the news came out about Haiti I was coughing and told my husband I smelled smoke. I looked outside expecting the sky to be engulfed in darkness, but it was clear. He heard me coughing and was concerned. When I told him I smelled smoke he informed me that he did not and had not. I realized it was a psychic thing and figured it was related to Haiti. I turned on the news and the coverage was all about fires raging down there. This is of course to be expected after an earthquake.

This morning, I woke up smelling a combination of death and fire aftermath. It was horrible. I also felt my left side pinned and felt a broken arm. I realized this person I was tuning into was stuck in the rubble and I worried that she would die before being rescued.

My spiritual guide/higher self told me that would be about a quarter of a million people who will pass over during this earthquake and if resources continue to go slowly, as many as half a million who will die both directly and indirectly due to the earthquake there.

I urge everyone to give whatever you can to the relief effort. Just thinking about the area gives me a terrible migraine and makes me dizzy. I wonder now if the severe vertigo I had a couple of months ago was related to these earthquakes. It was odd. I noticed that whenever I would tell people about the vertigo they all knew someone who was having a similar thing happen. I was sort of blown away by how many people were experiencing vertigo (for a period of about  2 months) at or around the same time that I was, and wondered if this was some sort of massive psychic shock to the collective, or if there was some weird virus going around. All the people happened to be women, which I also thought was interesting.

Please keep posting your insights and information.

Many blessings,

Denise

I continue trying to get clarification about the vision/dream. I’m going to run a chart of Haiti and continue asking for understanding about a possible unnatural cause of this horrible disaster.

Earthquakes, Dreams & Synchronicities…

Earthquake… Haiti…

I would not normally post a vision that I hadn’t really decoded completely or one that could be seen as so strange an absurd, but I felt in light of the earthquake in Haiti and the nature of this vision I had to go forward. I wish I would have posted it the night I received it, but usually my visions are not so close on the heels of disasters like this. There is usually more lead time…

I had a strange vision a couple of nights ago as I was falling asleep. I told it to my husband and as it turned out he had had a similar/almost identical dream. I was looking out or sort of hovering over the ocean I thought I was off of the West Coast pretty far North, probably near Oregon, maybe as far as Washington or as south as far Northern California near the border of Oregon. Above me was a strange UFO, like something I’ve never seen, not even in depictions of any kind. It was dark and octagonal. As I watched it, these strange legs appeared and from the legs bright lights shown. The word bipedal came to me although there were more than two of these legs, perhaps it only used two to walk on land or sea. Anyway, it was black, ominous and metallic and definitely alien in origin. However it did not have good or even neutral feeling about it. This thing was here to start a war on earth. A war against the earth as we have known it, using all the disadvantages we have provided by way of global warming and whatever natural earth changes scheduled to come down the pike.

I was also told there would be an explosion deep underwater near or in the Bermuda triangle area and this would cause a terrible series of earthquakes. People would not know that these earthquakes were not entirely natural, of course they would assume as I or any rational person would nothing unusual about them other than the nature of these earthquakes themselves. I also so that where this strange UFO was hanging out, over an obscure (literally) off the radar place in the middle of the Pacific, there was a base being set up.

OK, this may sound insane, but I was told this was the beginning of a war of the worlds. The end game of two alien races, both with different agendas for our planet. The one I was seeing was the very evil one. The other alien race I think was/is the Grays – whose purpose is more neutral in regards to us and our planet. Not benevolent, self-serving on their part, but sort of like a giant experiment they had started ages ago which they need to see through and also because they have a vested interest in us as we are a hybrid race related to them. In a strange way they are mining our reproductive systems in order to keep their own race alive.

I was then startled out of the vision by the sound of two loud bangs on the outside of my home. I’ve had this happen before major earthquakes before and wondered if perhaps southern California was also going to get hit but dismissed that notion for the time being.

Now the thing that kept me from posting this (other than it is completely crazy sounding) is that often visions and dreams in a metaphorical language which needs decoding. The aliens could be an alien culture. Symbolic language is often exaggerated for emotional impact. The fact that the aliens were going to detonate some sort of nuclear device deep under the ocean floor to cause these earthquakes could mean that there is something unnatural about the earthquake in Haiti or the earthquakes themselves could be so extreme that they are “mind-blowing” like a nuclear explosion. Again the Bermuda Triangle and the Bahamas were the area were this energy was despite the feeling the UFO I was seeing was somehow connected to the West Coast. This also confused me so I figured I’d wait it out to decipher the meaning but again the voice told me this would be a series of earthquakes all over connected deep under the earth which made me wonder if there wasn’t going to also be something happening up in Northern California sooner rather than later, again the whales, the sea lions also seemed like signs…

The next night I had a dream that I was flying in an aircraft when a terrible storm came, and somehow the aircraft ended up adrift in the water in what looked like a bay of a large island near the Bahamas although I’ve never been to the Bahamas or anywhere near there, I knew it was the area. When I saw some news of the Haitian earthquake after being at an amusement park all day for my daughter’s birthday, I saw the very same bay that the airplane was floating in from the dream. In the dream I was amazed the aircraft was able to float and we seemed to be OK for the time being before I was awoken by my husband to go to the amusement park.

While we were at the amusement park waiting in a dark room for a show to start my husband told me about some friends of his who were going to go to go on a cruise (work related) to the Bahamas. I freaked out and said, “No, you can’t go it’s too dangerous there. Something terrible is happening there.  I’ve had a bunch of dreams about it.” This is when a bunch of those references started really coming together in my head. As it turned out it was at about 2:15 PM PST right around the time or just after the major earthquake in Haiti was happening.

Now one could dismiss all this as coincidence and as I’ve said I normally don’t put out the crude version of a vision without proper deconstruction, but I felt that my husband having had a similar dream and the earthquake happening in Haiti yesterday are reasons to fly my freak flag, perhaps some part of this that I haven’t figured out yet someone else will and it can help someone out figure something out that needs figuring.

By the way there is a terrible storm coming this way next week. And actually it has just started raining here. I will meditate on this and try to make more cohesive sense of it all. Sorry to go the long route but sometimes things are literal and sometimes metaphorical and sometimes it’s not for me to figure out completely. Maybe for someone out there they will read this and it cause someone to reflect on a strange dream and another piece of the puzzle will come together. Please post if anyone has had similar strange dreams related to any of the issues discussed here…

Best wishes and please pray for the Haitian people,

Denise

Earthquake… Haiti…

Answering Readers…

From Zak:

zak

Southern California has been experiencing a number of smaller earth quakes lately. Should we be concerned that a “big one” is coming?

I’ve been feeling a big earthquake coming but not right away, down the road several years, probably in the next 2-4. I have a feeling this one will be on the San Andres fault and will be between a 7.8 -8.5. It will be here in Southern California. I’d have to meditate on Northern CA, I’ve had the feeling the last few years that a big one would strike there first and then we’d have one a few years later here, but I’d have to be up there to really get a feeling for it and haven’t been in the hood for awhile. I’ll keep you posted as I feel it is getting closer.

And…

I just want to address the last post from Javahaaa first. 

It’s my belief that one can not think outside of the box if one lives inside it. There is a lot of debate about the genesis of the bible, both testaments. It is also true that depending on which side of the fence one is on, information can be read different ways. My research comes from sources outside the traditional framework of the church. I suggest reading Robert Graves very dense and scholarly book called, “The White Goddess.” There are many books I could recommend such as Merlin Stones, “When God was a Woman,” and the research done by Maya Gumbatis and so many others who came from either a feminist or archeological perspective to show the evolution and birth of the western religions. One can name all the types of trees in the forest and not see the actual forest. The details of how each testament was canonized is really not the point. The point is much bigger and if one gets lost in the minutia of information, then one losses the bigger perspective here.

I don’t want to keep going around and around about this, however, it’s not just the Burning Times, the Spanish Inquisition, the entire Middle-ages, the genocide of the Indigenous people from Australia where people were hunted for sport to our Native Americans who walked the Trail of Tears. One can say these atrocities aren’t related to western religion and I’m not being black and white about things here. I’m trying to make the point that the ideology of western monotheism (that means not just Christian but Judaism and Islam) is fundamentally toxic and why so many truly moral and decent people reject it in the form of atheism. It is toxic because these 3 religions who all believe in the same God, believe not just that their God is the only way, but that their interpretation of God is the only way. No one is more guilty (of the 3 of these western religions) then the Christians. And honestly I do think its fair to judge a religion based on its history, just as I would judge a person, an institution, a country or any ideology. An ideology has to work or it is useless to me. If a spiritual ideology is at the root of so much destruction, then one has to question if it embodies the core moral and spiritual values one has, and this is why so many of the most moral people I’ve met are atheists because they stop at the west and don’t bother researching any other form of spiritual teachings. And frankly they don’t need it. They have an intrinsic moral compass that they can always rely on, it’s called: compassion.

As I’ve said before in previous posts, the Creek never murdered the Cherokee because they believed in different Gods. They warred over resources and survival. I don’t think war is ever a good thing, but at least it makes sense to fight over scarce food sources, or over normal human stupidity. I’m sure they performed rights to their Gods before wars and begged for help. But they didn’t go into battle believing they had the divine right to kill anyone because that person was lesser than them. They went to battle for survival, to protect their homes, tribes and families; they went to battle to save face or to gain advantage. And they honored not only the people they killed in battle, but the animals they ate. Both with very elaborate rituals meant to release the souls of the dead to the next world. They would waste nothing of an animal, respecting the animals sacrifice for their survival. The structure of their psyches was shaped by an animate world were everything had value, everything was alive and part of the Creator/Great Spirit. And our consciousness is shaped by the idea that everything is inanimate except us which encourages a skewed narcissistic world view and one where we are superior to everything and can do as we please. We are man vs. nature. Indigenous cultures wouldn’t even know what that meant, it would be as absurd to them as buying land was to the Native Americans.

So I guess what I’m saying is we live in a western culture, and this ideology permeates not only those who are religious, but the way we govern, the structure of our government, our cities, our psyches. We are so enmeshed in these ideas that we can’t look at them objectively. We are literally living in a world created by a disassociation with nature, and look what we get, global warming, toxic waste everywhere. These are not coincidences, we have been at the control of world domination for at least the last 100 years and before us many other western Christian empires (the English, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Holy Roman Empire).

2000 years of this ideology and we’re about to die off. And yet we’ve been on this planet for over 100,000 years (a conservative estimate) and probably more like 250,000 years. In 1 or 2% of our time here, with the western thought controlling and conquering the world we are on the verge of extinction.

Do you honestly believe this is a coincidence? Don’t you think there is something intrinsically wrong with the way we have been doing things? And don’t you think it’s a little deeper then just Capatalism? What spawned Capatilism? It was invented by the western mind. Would it have sprouted at all if we had remained in balance with the earth and continued to honor all living beings? I’m not saying our own greed and other monkey brain problems don’t get thrown into the mix here, and that we can’t be tricked by are darker natures no matter what period of history or culture, but we managed to keep these in check for a long time, granted not always perfectly, and by no means am I saying life was ideal for all before 2000 years ago, but we had one thing right and that was; we lived in harmony with nature and our environment and didn’t see ourselves as the only living creatures of value to the Creator here on earth.  

I do want to say the 3 major western religions have also brought a lot of good to the world and there are many amazing and exceptionally spiritually evolved souls who use this path toward enlightenment. I’ve met so many people who fit that statement, probably the vast majority, these are the people who despite what the doctorine teaches, choice to believe in other people’s right to free will. These are people who have an internal moral compass which tells them there is something intrinsically wrong with persecuting others for not believing as they do. These are not the martyrs or the saints or the exhalted by their religions. But in my opinion these are the most enlightened members, people who can pick the truth and metaphor out of a book that has been tweaked and translated and within its pages been used to demonize others (like the reference to the ancient Hebrew Goddess Asatarte as Asatorth a demon). The whole thing is so absurd, that God is jealous, punishing and that we are all born with original sin because Eve made a mistake several hundred thousand years ago. All one has to do to eliminate that ridiculous idea (clearly put in place to put the fear of God into people so they could be controlled) is to look at a newborn baby and see how innocent and vulnerable that little being is. If God were truly like the God of the bible then heaven would be a pretty horrible and dysfunctional place. It would be like living with your psycho alcoholic dad on a bender. I really don’t feel God is anything like He/She is portrayed in the Old Testament. And after studying the Kaballah I don’t think any Rabbi does either. Just like most Priests loose their faith. The more one studies the good book, the more one sees the holes and looses faith. It seems the only people who can remain in those faiths are those who filter out the stuff that they intrinsically know doesn’t feel right. And there’s a lot of it in there. 

Here’s just a tiny example of the insanity in the 10 commandments:

 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

And then, huh?

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

So being a slave isn’t good, but owning one is A-OK? As long as you don’t covet your neighbors slave then we’re cool. What? That’s just ridiculous.

And that’s just a little tiny mini-quark sized fraction of an example from a cursory look at the 10 commandments. There are even more within the 10 commandments that are insane. 

Anyway, I want to let this go. So I’ve said my peace.

And as I’ve stated I believe any organized religion has the agenda to control people just as a government does. Within any organized religion however one will always find people who are truly spiritual and remarkable; those who use religion as a foundation for their spiritual connection, but are not enslaved by the literal words of their texts. 

P.S. It’s said that Mother Teresa lost her faith in God by the end of her life. This seems to be a common theme for people who are sticklers for the rules set forth in the bible. I think more people would be able to connect with their spirituality if they didn’t feel the only way to do it was through fear of God which is what the Old Testament is all about, and unfortunately it sets the foundation for the New Testament although Christ worked against it with his sermons. I do believe Christ was a remarkable teacher and holy person, I just don’t think he explained how to get from where most people are to where he was, very well. Although that’s what he wanted people to do when he said, “I am the way.” It’s my opinion, he didn’t mean worship me as God, he meant do as I do. I am your example, love everyone. And who could argue with that message?That’s the highest spiritual lesson we can possibly ascend to.

There’s a lot more to talk about including something Juno said about similar dreams. I’m noticing more and more patterns. Interesting that she had a dream about being at Disneyland because I actually took my daughter there for her 1st birthday about a week ago. Anyway, maybe we’ll all share some more simultaneous dreaming.

Best wishes and many blessings,

Denise

Answering Readers…

Answering Readers and Some Dream Patterns

 

Hi everyone, thanks for participating in the dream journal. Already I’ve noticed some interesting patterns, not sure if anyone else has. There seems to be a lot of water and chaotic dreams. Interesting to note someone had a dream that they posted under year of the panther that stated they saw a panther walking down the street. My husband also (without my having told him of my pulling it) pulled the black panther card. 

Please keep using the Dream Journal as your personal repository for your dreams. As themes start to suggest themselves we’ll take a look at them and see how they interact with the world at large. Also you can print out your dreams and paste them into a dream journal for your own records. Dream journals are really remarkable, often when reading mine from years ago I found things that eventually came to pass. Sometimes having dreamt about things as far as 10 years down the line. So make use of it!

The first question comes from Curious:

curious123

Hi Denise,
First, I hope all is well. I was just wondering. You haven’t really given any updates about Pres. Obama and family (Michelle Obama from previous predictions), the Illinois mess surrounding him or his cabinet choices. I also was wondering, what is to come for him in the first 100 days after he is to be sworn in? What about his ballout?

Once again thanks alot!

Hi Curious:

I know some of his appointments have been a disappointment, for me his choice to appoint Ken Salazar was the deepest however he did appoint Steven Chu a Nobel laureate in physics to lead the Energy Department. I know our Senator, Diane Feinstein scolded him for his choice of Leon Panetta to head the CIA due to Panetta’s lack of experience, however as my husband pointed out, this could be because many people within the intelligence community have their hands dirty from the torture issue and Guantanomo. He may have decided to rely on someone outside that circle in order to have some perspective. As for Salazar I was happy to read he is a staunch conservationist and that he is balanced by a Nobel laureate. It appears Obama is putting together not just a team of rivals but one where there is a multitude of opinions to draw from, none however being from the super left which isn’t a surprise. Obama has never claimed to be left of center, neither was Clinton. Actually there hasn’t been a president who has been anything but a centrist or at least played the game as a centrist since Kennedy or FDR. Certainly Reagan, Bush I and II were radical in many ways, Reagan slashing the social net to pieces and Bush II turning capatlism into the wild west and then socializing it. I really want to reserve judgement about Obama and his strategy for the first year because it is my gut he is going to turn out to be a really good if not great president who will solve some of the toughest issues we’ve yet faced and I don’t think one does this by surrounding themselves with a team of people who are in harmonic agree-ance a with ones own opinions. We saw how that worked with Bush II. He had nothing but Yes people around (other then the duck man, Cheney who appeared to be a Yes man but was really a weasel stealing power whenever possible). Arguments, disagreements and healthy debate are good for solving big problems. I don’t think these appointments speak to his absolute take on things but rather his openness and desire to get people involved in his administration who have more experience then he does. I’ll have to admit though, I was a disappointed at first and felt a little betrayed but just because he’s hiring these people now doesn’t mean they will be with him throughout his administration either. So, again my intuition tells me he’s doing this to encourage debate among his staff and to get people to think outside their boxes which is ultimately a good thing. 

To answer the other questions about how he’ll be treated in the first 100 days as I mentioned in a much earlier post from before the election, I’m sure there will be people trying to pin the financial mess on him. He’s not going to have an easy time of it which is why I feel its important to see how he does and lend him some trust. He is an incredibly intelligent man, and his strategy maybe more complex then something someone like say, George W. would use, perhaps this is why it will be beneficial.

And the bailout, I feel will be an ongoing process which will require years of restructuring. It isn’t going to be like the Bush bailout which ultimately was more akin to throwing a napkin over a bale exploded barf, then an actual solution. It was more of a nod to the rest of the world saying, “See we screwed things up, but we’ll clean it up.” But we really didn’t end up doing much. The Obama administration will end up with the mop and bucket and it will take some time to scrub down. It’s my feeling that Obama is also going to instate some new house rules like, “No getting crazy drunk on taking advantage of investors and the American people.”

The next from Capricorn777:

capricorn777

 

Hi Denise;

wishing that your little daughter gets well soon.

Additional info on previous financial natal charts:

The New York Stock Exchange was established on May 17, 1792
New York, NY

and NASDAQ was established on
February 8, 1971
New York, NY

Take care
Steven

Hi Steven,

I’m going to post this charts with the alternative dates for the stock exchange and the NASDAQ and let you know what I see. 

 

I was reticent to do this because my software (Kepler) which has an excellent database for financial astrology gave different information. I posted the charts already that came with the software but it does seem to be off. And upon a cursory examination this time, it looks like this old Stock Exchange chart maybe more accurate, we shall soon see. If the market doesn’t hit an all time low in Feb-March of this year then this old chart should be the one astrologers use from now on as the nodes are in 0 degree cardinal signs which when Pluto passed through this past September 29 and throughout October would have made a terrible grand cross and would have reeked havoc, which seems to have been the case.

Since I didn’t know if the market would have started way back when at 9 or 8 or as it does now at 9:30. I picked 9. I figure they were early risers and would have started by then. I also did the NASDAQ chart for both 9 and 9:30 because I wasn’t sure how new the half hour mark was as the start. It seems like an oddity that came this century to me in order to accommodate the coasts and world markets. OK so here goes:

new-york-stock-exchange-older-info

nasdaq-older-9-amnasdaq-old-930am

Lets hope for the sake of the NASDAQ that they traded earlier when they began back in 1971. Otherwise not only will Pluto hit this NASDAQ’s Venus in Capricorn at 3 degrees this spring but it will also hit the 10th house cusp making the situation much more extreme. If trading was done back then also at 9:30 then the spring will not only show huge financial losses as Venus rules money and Pluto death, transformation and endings but with the 10th house it may indicate a change in the structure of the NASDAQ itself as Pluto first hits Venus, the way business is conducted might be restructured to save institutions. This big Pluto hit could mean the loss of more jobs among those companies traded on the NASDAQ when Pluto hits the NASDAQ’s 10th. 

Also it is interesting to note that Neptune was conjuncting the NASDAQ’s Sun a few years ago, this would have caused delusion among stock holders, the sense that the impossible had suddenly become possible and the theoritical a reality. There also would have been a lot of lying and deception going on by companies, institutions, and brokers about the health of companies on the NASDAQ. 

That being said give it awhile and the NASDAQ will come back stronger then ever, after the restructuring takes place and when Pluto starts to make a trine to the part of fortune. There will be more tech jobs created here in the US again and a wave of good economic health for companies involved in the NASDAQ but this will take awhile. I won’t bother to look it up in the ephemeris because it will be years from now. I’ll post about that when it gets closer.

Generally this NASDAQ chart shows a lot of return for investors under normal circumstances. It’s interesting to note that when transiting Pluto was conjunct Neptune, Jupiter and finally Mars, in the 8th house back in the 1990s, we had the crazy technology, internet bubble. This would fit perfectly with those aspects. I’d have to say this chart looks very accurate to my eye so far.

Now for the chart of the New York Stock Exchange started way back in the 18th century.  Here we see the nodes at exactly 0 degrees Aries and Libra, both making an exact square to Pluto back in the fall of 2008. If this chart is off by an hour and the start of the market back then was at 10 AM which could be possible, then we would see these nodes in the 2nd and 8th houses, making this a hard hit for the Stock exchange as those points would represent jobs (2nd house) and banking, brokers, financial advisors and investors (8th house). Let’s hope this is the more accurate chart making the hit this past fall the worst of it. I’m going to check this chart against the 1929 crash and do a comparison post to see if maybe there is a way to verify its accuracy or inaccuracy. If this chart is inaccurate and the previous Kepler based chart was accurate, then we have the worst of it coming really in March of 09.

Hope this is not the case.

May 2009 bring your greatest dreams and wishes to fruition,

Denise

Answering Readers and Some Dream Patterns

Answering Readers’ Questions…

Besides answering everyone I want to announce a new page on the website. I’d like to start a collective dream journal for everyone. It will be under Dream Journal at the top, I’m going to post whatever dreams I can remember (the more you write them down the more you remember) and would love for all of you to post yours as well.

It’s a kind of experiment to see if there are themes running through all of our dreams, any synchronicities or what I call simultaneous dreaming. A weird phenomena that has happened to me several times when I had the same exact dream as someone else, usually a close friend or sibling. 

I think through this journal we can pick out symbols we all are having and this will tell us more about what to expect for 2009 and the coming years. Hope you all participate. It should be very interesting. At least for me it will be. I believe we are all connected and it should be fascinating to see where our psyches intersect.

First Iris:

Iris

Submitted on 2009/01/07 at 3:27pm

Iris Annette Boyd, September 4 1969, around 2am not quite sure. I was born at home in Stanton, Tennessee and live in TN all of my life.

Iris, since you were born early in the morning of the next day, do you think it’s possible your parents got your date wrong? Perhaps you were really born on the 3rd maybe just before midnight? My grandmother had this happen to her. Her recorded birth day was the 8th of September but her mother told her she was born on the 7th. It wasn’t until she died that we saw her original birth certificate stating her birth date was the 8th. Getting the date and time wrong was (and is) actually very common for home births. Obviously, when you’re in labor the last thing you can concentrate on is the clock and having had a baby myself, I know that you loose track of time. It’s very easy to just guess later or be so elated about the birth that later you try to reconstruct the time and it is often wrong.

Have you ever had an astrological chart done before? And if so did it seem accurate? I can put your chart up here for all to see and do a brief interpretation if you’ve never had it done before to illustrate how it should work. If the timing of things is completely off, the chart is very likely wrong. 

Even though I was born in a hospital in Chicago my birth time was about 12 hours off, probably because when whoever filled out the birth certificate did so, they just looked at the time or if my mother did she was unaware of the actual time of my birth and her memory was faulty. Chicago from what I’ve heard had notoriously wrong birth times on its birth certificates. Why? Who knows, perhaps they just saw it as a stupid formality and didn’t pay much attention to this detail. I guess getting the day right was good enough for them.  

Let me know if you want me to run your chart and post it, with some possible events so everyone can see the timing of a chart.

Next question comes from Grace:

grace43


Submitted on 2009/01/07 at 4:07pm

Although this has nothing to do with your recent blog entries, do you have any idea what happened to poor Adam Herrman? His parents did not report him missing for 10 years and CPS was called on them several times for abuse. I doubt this poor boy could be alive today. Here is a link to the story:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6588020&page=1

Thanks in advance.

Hi Grace,

I saw a brief quick reference to this story on the news tonight. My first reaction was he was murdered by his mother.

I just read the story link, and see that he was adopted and his adopted mother was very abusive toward him. Reading the story just confirmed my gut feeling that he was murdered by the mother a long time ago. She seems to be a classic case of BPD. What a sad and horrible story, poor boy. I hope he really did run away and she was just cheating the system by collecting money on him, but I really don’t get that feeling. I feel that child is no longer on the planet. I’m sure she buried him in a wooded area not far from their home. And I feel the adopted father knew about this and is covering up for the wife. After so long now he is also guilty of murder for not coming forward so I don’t think he will spill the beans either. But I do feel they’ll find the body of the boy in the next couple of years, probably this spring/summer.

Next is from Steve:

capricorn777


Hi Denise;

wishing that your little daughter gets well soon. Additional info on previous financial natal charts.

The New York Stock Exchange was established on May 17, 1792

New York, NY

and NASDAQ was established on
February 8, 1971
New York, NY

Take care
Steven

 

Hi Steven,

Do you have any idea what time of day they were established. It’s my feeling that since 

the Dow has changed so dramatically from its inception that the chart researched and provided

by Kepler software is probably a lot more accurate then the old chart. I did run a solar chart and it didn’t

feel right. I will run the other as a solar chart and let you know. I’ll post both of them in the next

couple of days. They won’t be all that accurate without a time though. 

Thanks for the well wishing for my baby daughter. She has now spread her germs to me. But it’s not

too bad. Colds are a lot easier when you can take decongestants! 

 

Best wishes and many blessings to all,

Denise

 

 

 

Answering Readers’ Questions…

Israel and Answering A Reader…

Nitin wrote a post a few days back before Israel went insane on Palestine. I wanted to post it for others to read in case they missed it. 

Nitin

Hi everyone,

hope u guys have had a great xmas. i would like to share one of the weirdest dream i had this morning. i dont claim to be psychic but on many occasions my intuitions have proved right. In simple terms my guts feelings has probably have been right at 90%. However, in 2008 i have noticed that i hve started to have dreams very lucid one arounf 3 to 4ish in the morning. these dreams are like visions of something providing answer in some of the time on the thing thats been on my mind a lot, sometimes i will feel my grandma guiding me through these visions. The funny thing about these dream or vision is that i am fully aware of it.. i know that th moment i opened my eyes it will stop and by keeping my eyes close, its like the movie is playing. It is quite a new phenomenon for me… Ok this morning the 26 December, i start dreaming that i went to see a friend that i studied with when i was in London. He was living in one of those very tall buildings. We took the lift and up we go. he was living on the 17th floor i cant recall. and then i find myself on the balcony of the building. i could see my mum and my dad. and then in the sky i could see figher planes. it was air combat. with all the firing in the sky it looks like lightening in the sky. we were hiding and then i could hear machine guns and so many helicopters around.they were hovering . i could see the soldier in the combat helicopters with guns. they were all shooting towards the ground. at this point i became aware that it is a vision and once i opened my eyes, everything will go. Also eventhough we were lying down,i was not scared of being shot at..at this time india and pakistan came into my mind. then i opened my eyes and obviously evertyhing switched off. ok the way i am looking at it. there would be somemilitary operation that gonna happened i dont know where. with all the wars going around that is obvious :-)…y india and pakistan..part of my ancestor is from india and part is a mixture …its very typical for an islander like myself..but my mum and dad is hindu. .. i dont have a religion as such but i am very close to hinduism because of my parents prctice and i have been growing up with all the occasional hindu rituals. Now this friend of mine in the building is muslim and his wife is pakistani…may be its far fetched but that was ahy i tried tomake a connection. however i doubt myself as well int he sense that the soldiers i say in the combat helicopter were not indian at all. they look european..and it looks like they had proper logistics i.e proper combat helicopters and fighter jets..

i thought about georgia nd russia as well. i dont know…

thank you so much for listening..

god bless

And then Nitin posted this in response to the dream:

Nitin


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

could be the dream was an omen to the current event… follow the links

Hi Nintin, 

It’s OK to call yourself psychic when you consistently have dreams that come true, and feelings that turn out to be accurate. It doesn’t make you arrogant, just honest with yourself. You have the gift/curse. We all do, some more than others, that’s all. I have a feeling a pretty big percentage of my readers are psychic. 

Your dream sounds very much like a premonition of Israel bombing the Gaza strip. It makes a lot of sense, especially since you mentioned the people looked European. Seems like a very obvious premonition about Israel’s aggression toward Palestine. I am going to look into what happened (astrologically) there in a later post. It really is disturbing and disgusting of Israel. 

I’m really sick of the way they have treated the Palestinian people. That lame excuse about launches toward Israel that hurt no one, does not give them the right to kill innocent people. My father and his family were Jewish, and great supporters of Israel, but they would I’m sure be disgusted by Israel’s increasing aggression, and out of control reactionary, aggressive dealings with the Palestinian people.

Israel is a disgrace to all Jewish people. Just as America under George W. Bush became a disgrace to the West. They had better stop this crap or they are going to trigger a much bigger problem. I feel so much instabilty in that region. It feels like that area of the world is teetering on the verge of a nuclear holocaust. I’ve been feeling that build since we invaded Iraq.

Does the Israeli government not realize how much damage the Bush administration has done to the cause of Democracy and tolerance? Don’t they get that bull dozing an apartment building when someone who lived there Ding-Dong- ditched your house is more than over kill right now, it’s enough to incite a major war.

This is very disturbing.

There are so many militant terrorist groups pushing the west toward all out war — the terrorist action in Mumbai, 9/11, the bombings in London, Madrid, the idiot shoe bomber. By reacting with this kind of force, the way our moronic president handled the situation with 9/11, only gives these horrible meat headed spiritually devoid terrorists power and ignites the flame of anger and revenge. It is the responsibility of those with great might and power to show restraint and use logic, kindness, compassion and diplomacy in the face of these irrational, blood thirsty zealots, or we become worse than they are. This is true of the U.S. and true of Israel.

I certainly hope that India is more evolved then we are and they don’t throw their weight around like a western country would. Let’s pray that they are wiser then all of us. Their main religion of Hinduism which teaches tolerance, that in itself shows they are miles above us in terms of their spiritual development. Let’s hope their leaders are as wise as those ancient teachings.

Best wishes to all and many blessings,

Denise

Israel and Answering A Reader…